Lets start at the beginning and have a look:
Buddy Kidd, on 10 February 2012 - 09:43 PM, said:
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And.... Our Government employees should be playing by the same rules We The People have to play by.
I took that to mean Government employees in general and that you used LEO's as one example representing all of them.
I agree that a gov agency and its employees do not run the same risks as companies and employees in the Private sector. In the private sector they rarely if ever have to worry about being fired on a politician's whim. Nor do they have to worry about being payed less than their equivalent job in the government sector.(the federal government employees not withstanding)
Your third point about politicians I agree with.
Note that in this post I have agreed with you with and pointed out that public employees have a different kind of job security to worry about.
Center Punch, on 11 February 2012 - 12:39 PM, said:
Buddy Kidd, on 10 February 2012 - 09:43 PM, said:
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And.... Our Government employees should be playing by the same rules We The People have to play by.
I took that to mean Government employees in general and that you used LEO's as one example representing all of them.
I agree that a gov agency and its employees do not run the same risks as companies and employees in the Private sector. In the private sector they rarely if ever have to worry about being fired on a politician's whim. Nor do they have to worry about being payed less than their equivalent job in the government sector.(the federal government employees not withstanding)
Your third point about politicians I agree with.
You should agree with my second point as well. It's extremly difficult to close down a .gov agency. You can't seriously believe that the Public sector experiences the amount of layoffs that those in the Private sector will.
In today's uncertain economic state, we all agree that our .gov isn't cutting spending while trying to further tax The People. All the while Private companies are closing down and layoffs ensue (sp?) at a much higher rate that .gov employees are loosing their jobs.
In your reply you completly ignored what I said about agreeing with you while talking about ".gov" not cutting spending. Note you did not discriminate between the several levels of government.
Buddy Kidd, on 11 February 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:
Have you ever worked for a State government where an elected official can fire you and all your fellow workers on a whim or because you don't belong to the right party? At one time in this State every time a new Governor was elected it was mass wholesale firing.
In today's economic state here in the State I live in, government has indeed cut spending and is finding ways to cut taxes at the same time.
I think you brush with too broad a brush.
Here I pointed out that you were painting with too broad a brush and gave you an example which you ignored.
Buddy Kidd, on 12 February 2012 - 06:17 PM, said:
Here I repeated that government was shrinking in my state which you ignored.
Center Punch, on 12 February 2012 - 06:54 PM, said:
sigh...
You being obtuse with every exchange these days with the intent to get post count up is.... tiring.
You answered by ignoring the facts I presented and started a personal attack which you continued through the descussion.
Buddy Kidd, on 12 February 2012 - 11:32 PM, said:
Oh good grief. I present facts and you call it being obtuse. If you would narrow your very broad statements then we could agree about some of what you have stated. I stand by my statement that in my state there has been a large budget cutback. We have in our constitution a balanced budget amendment. We were forced by it to cut.
I replied with the facts again in a attempt to get you back on the subject.
Buddy Kidd, on 13 February 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:
Center Punch, on 13 February 2012 - 10:47 AM, said:
You refuse to admit that the Private sector has to deal with cutbacks more often than the Public sector.
I don't know anyone who would agree with your premise that the .gov employees are less secure in their jobs than those employees in the Private sector.
How do you measure your first statement? What kind of cutbacks are you talking about? Please be specific.
I have not said that the government employees are less secure in their jobs than those employees in the Private sector". I was correcting your
inference that
ALL government employees are always secure in their jobs and gave examples where that occurs.
I had already admited that in a earlyer post. The one which you ignored.
Please note that I used the word "inference".
Center Punch, on 13 February 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:
What ever you meant by that post I have no idea from your following posts.
Center Punch, on 13 February 2012 - 09:25 PM, said:
He knows what I was getting at wing. He's been so abtuse with people's posts.... basically doing anything it takes to get more replies in a thread... that I'm about ready to ignore him.
Another personal attack which ignores the facts I presented.
Buddy Kidd, on 13 February 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:
wing, on 13 February 2012 - 09:09 PM, said:
Name another entity in this country, other than government, which is planning massive expansions of cash outlays in the coming fiscal year! That is what he meant Buddy! Nobody is. There is no certainty in this economy. I cannot even budget payroll expenses because the morons in Washington can't figure out whether or not to continue tax cuts. It is crap!
Take a look at the news footage from Greece today and over the weekend. If we don't get Obama out of the White House and replace vast numbers of legislators in Congress, you are looking at a microcosm of life in America in perhaps 2013 or 2014 and the latest. People need to wake up...no one more so than the cretins who hold elective office. Big difference between us and Greece? We are armed!
He was extending his criticisms to
ALL government, not just the federal government. I explained that to him and also gave him examples of where, outside of the federal government, what he was saying was not always true. If he had kept his argument confined to the federal government he would have had complete agreement from me and in fact if you read my posts you will see that I have already agreed with him in that area.
Center Punch, on 13 February 2012 - 11:14 PM, said:
Hahahahahaha !!!!!
Job security. Who has more? Public. Or. Private.
unbelievable.
(Good job. Got another reply out of me... )
I answerd that in the begining of the descussion. I put it in red so you might read it this time. You ended with another personal attack.
Buddy Kidd, on 14 February 2012 - 09:00 AM, said:
Would you care to compare auto union jobs(private) with say county jobs(public) in the state I live in?
I ask a question to try to get away from the personal attacks.
Center Punch, on 14 February 2012 - 12:16 PM, said:
Someone wants me to focus on an individual tree instead of the forest, and the map, and the direction.
Not gonna happen.
These ARE the droids we're looking for and you aren't a Jedi.
You refused to descuss the topic and kept up the personal attacks.
Buddy Kidd, on 14 February 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:
wing, on 14 February 2012 - 11:03 AM, said:
Well, I can do it HERE! Michigan has the fifth highest gas tax in the US. Our roads suck, primarily because winters are usually pretty tough on them. With the economy being in the toilet and unemployment so high, the state is collecting less gas taxes than in years past because people can't afford to drive, or they buy cars which are more fuel efficient. Their answer? Cut back? Get serious! No, they want to increase the gas tax aother 3-1/2 cents, which will further depress consumption, further depress collections, and then the morons will call a special session to again increas the gas tax!
The city of Detroit...rather than renegotiate the contracts with the municipal unions is now looking to sell off assets...such as Belle Isle, the aquarium, the zoo, etc. When those are gone, then what? The state is trying to appoint an emergency manager to take care of the city's finances. The mayor and city council (all black, all Democrats) are fighting it in the courts and Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson have both come here and said that if the state is successful they will encourage blacks to take to the streets this summer. Detroit has been there before!
Illinois, rather than curtail services or renegotiate labor contracts with its municipal unions elected instead to enact massive tax increases on corporations and other businesses. Last I looked, those entities were bailing out of Illinois faster than you can imagine. Caterpillar says it will bail if the new administration in the state doesn't repeal the increases. So have others.
I have faith in no one in any elected office. If you have good, decent people in Oklahoma, you have an exception, not the rule and you should consider yourself fortunate. We are living, all of us, on borrowed time and borrowed money. When the bills come due, and they will soon, the chaos in Greece will be child's play in comparison. We have an ignorant electorate which simply can't look ahead to see what this irresponsibility is bringing. But much of that ignorant electorate is armed and when a fight breaks out, we will be left to only wish we had Greece's unrest.
http://www.detroitne...-crucial-assets
The only thing government does well is conduct wars and prepetuate themselves. Everything else they touch turns to garbage!
Wing,
I agree with you about trusting politicians. Please read my post #15 and you will see the reason for the difference.
Center Punch, on 14 February 2012 - 12:16 PM, said:
Someone wants me to focus on an individual tree instead of the forest, and the map, and the direction.
Not gonna happen.
These ARE the droids we're looking for and you aren't a Jedi.
It has been you who have insisted that insecurity does not exist in the public sector. If you refuse to discuss it when I show you otherwise it is your loss, not mine.
You continue to refuse to descuss the facts I have laid out but resort to another personal attack. Never have you addressed the different levels of government and the differnet types of job insecurity in them but you call me a lier for bringing them up.
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