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[buckshot]

http://www.washingto...vate-interests/

[Buddy Kidd]

YUP, we need: Term Limits, Line Item Veto, and One Subject Bills

[buckshot]

For once we agree, I would add get the money out of politics like having the senate and the house members just get a set allotment of money, and no donations over one hundred dollars from the public at large.

[Buddy Kidd]

That would make the political process a tyranny of the majority wouldn't it? I think a better solution would be to shorten the primary/selection process to 3 months and then have the election two months later with no fund raising, endorsing, or campaigning out side of the five month period.

[Lead Dog]

Isn't that a little too logical???

[Center Punch]

And.... Our Government employees should be playing by the same rules We The People have to play by.

One example:

Any LEO's in our midst?

Do you still have the option to NOT contribute into Social Security?

We in the Private Sector don't have that option.

[Buddy Kidd]

I worked for the government and did not have a choice.

[Center Punch]

Three things....

First, I said "LEO" specifically for a reason. I would like to know if LEO's still have the option to invest their money elsewhere.
( Please note, that I have a lot of respect for the Enforcement Arm of our Gov't. They have my full support, but that support isn't unconditional. )

Second, you can't tell me a .gov agency and its empolyees run the same risks as companies and employees in the Private sector.

Third, there should be no denying the fact that our elected officials don't have to play by the same set of rules as their employers / We The People. (Health care.... continued pay even when they are out of our employ... voting themselves pay raises, etc.)

[Buddy Kidd]

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And.... Our Government employees should be playing by the same rules We The People have to play by.

I took that to mean Government employees in general and that you used LEO's as one example representing all of them.

I agree that a gov agency and its employees do not run the same risks as companies and employees in the Private sector. In the private sector they rarely if ever have to worry about being fired on a politician's whim. Nor do they have to worry about being payed less than their equivalent job in the government sector.(the federal government employees not withstanding)

Your third point about politicians I agree with.

[Center Punch]

Buddy Kidd, on 10 February 2012 - 09:43 PM, said:

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And.... Our Government employees should be playing by the same rules We The People have to play by.

I took that to mean Government employees in general and that you used LEO's as one example representing all of them.

I agree that a gov agency and its employees do not run the same risks as companies and employees in the Private sector. In the private sector they rarely if ever have to worry about being fired on a politician's whim. Nor do they have to worry about being payed less than their equivalent job in the government sector.(the federal government employees not withstanding)

Your third point about politicians I agree with.

You should agree with my second point as well. It's extremly difficult to close down a .gov agency. You can't seriously believe that the Public sector experiences the amount of layoffs that those in the Private sector will.

In today's uncertain economic state, we all agree that our .gov isn't cutting spending while trying to further tax The People. All the while Private companies are closing down and layoffs ensue (sp?) at a much higher rate that .gov employees are loosing their jobs.

[Buddy Kidd]

Have you ever worked for a State government where an elected official can fire you and all your fellow workers on a whim or because you don't belong to the right party? At one time in this State every time a new Governor was elected it was mass wholesale firing.

In today's economic state here in the State I live in, government has indeed cut spending and is finding ways to cut taxes at the same time.

I think you brush with too broad a brush.

[Center Punch]

Again. You can't be serious.

The .gov isn't cutting back nearly as much as the Private sector.

[Buddy Kidd]

It is in my state.

[Center Punch]

sigh...

You being obtuse with every exchange these days with the intent to get post count up is.... tiring.

[Buddy Kidd]

Oh good grief. I present facts and you call it being obtuse. If you would narrow your very broad statements then we could agree about some of what you have stated. I stand by my statement that in my state there has been a large budget cutback. We have in our constitution a balanced budget amendment. We were forced by it to cut.

[Center Punch]

You refuse to admit that the Private sector has to deal with cutbacks more often than the Public sector.

I don't know anyone who would agree with your premise that the .gov employees are less secure in their jobs than those employees in the Private sector.

[Buddy Kidd]

Center Punch, on 13 February 2012 - 10:47 AM, said:

You refuse to admit that the Private sector has to deal with cutbacks more often than the Public sector.

I don't know anyone who would agree with your premise that the .gov employees are less secure in their jobs than those employees in the Private sector.

How do you measure your first statement? What kind of cutbacks are you talking about? Please be specific.

I have not said that the government employees are less secure in their jobs than those employees in the Private sector". I was correcting your inference that ALL government employees are always secure in their jobs and gave examples where that occurs.

[Center Punch]

ok

[wing]

Name another entity in this country, other than government, which is planning massive expansions of cash outlays in the coming fiscal year! That is what he meant Buddy! Nobody is. There is no certainty in this economy. I cannot even budget payroll expenses because the morons in Washington can't figure out whether or not to continue tax cuts. It is crap!

Take a look at the news footage from Greece today and over the weekend. If we don't get Obama out of the White House and replace vast numbers of legislators in Congress, you are looking at a microcosm of life in America in perhaps 2013 or 2014 and the latest. People need to wake up...no one more so than the cretins who hold elective office. Big difference between us and Greece? We are armed!

[Center Punch]

He knows what I was getting at wing. He's been so abtuse with people's posts.... basically doing anything it takes to get more replies in a thread... that I'm about ready to ignore him.