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[Buddy Kidd]

Mexico's Murderous Drug War Spills Over U.S. Border

Posted 01/20/2012 06:39 PM ET

Eighteen months ago, Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer was excoriated for warning of spillover from Mexico's war reaching our soil. Well, beheadings are becoming common now. Yet that war is still ignored.

Leading the charge in the summer of 2010, Washington Post columnist Dana Milbank blasted Republican Gov. Brewer for claiming that Arizona's "law enforcement agencies have found bodies in the desert either buried or just lying out there that have been beheaded."

Brewer did admit she was in error at the time, but that's not what really interested Milbank and his fellow media minions.
In his column, Milbank cast Brewer's claim as misinformation intended to scare people into thinking violence from illegal immigration is worse than it actually is.

"Border violence on the rise? Phoenix becoming the world's No. 2 kidnapping capital? Illegal immigrants responsible for most police killings? The majority of those crossing the border are drug mules? All wrong," Milbank wrote.

He wasn't the only one to pile on — CBS and the Guardian also jumped in.

Just one problem, though. Brewer may have jumped the gun months ago, but cartel beheadings have become a reality in Arizona — and are now jumping to other states.

Four months after the Arizona governor spoke, the first grisly cartel beheading occurred — in Arizona. Martin Alejandro Cota-Monroy's body was found Oct. 10, 2010 in Chandler, in what police believed had been a revenge attack for stealing cartel drugs.

A year later and 600 miles north in Oklahoma, the victim was not a person involved in the drug trade, but a 19-year-old human trafficking victim, Carina Saunders, who was killed by suspected cartel members to frighten another teenager into joining the cartel.

Three months later, in Tucson, another headless body was found on a desolate stretch of road.

Just this month, in Hollywood, Calif., the same sort of headless body was found in a canyon by some dog walkers. Police are saying they think the last two may be linked.
If so, it looks like the work of Mexico's cartels, says former Drug Enforcement Administration supervisor Phil Jordan. "It would lead me to believe the message wanted to be sent," he told KRGV television in Texas.

What's seen here is the very swift regularization of crime that, until recently, was thought to be Mexico's problem.

Brewer made her then-errant call for more vigilant border enforcement and was blasted by the media as if there wasn't an underlying problem.

Now the problem has grown, and the worst aspects of the Mexican drug war are flowing northward, becoming as hideously normal here as they are there.

That portends considerable trouble in coming months as what's "normal" grows ever more hideous.

Will car bombs be next? Twitterers and journalists be hanged from bridges? Political leaders corrupted and killed? Villages be emptied and their residents made refugees?

Just Friday, the Mexican government reported that the 2,276 war-related deaths in Mexico's Chihuahua state alone topped all civilian deaths in Afghanistan in the first 11 months of 2011 (2,177). A civilian in the state of Chihuahua had a nine times greater chance of being killed than an Afghan.

Now that war has spread here, the threat sounds extreme. But then again, so did Brewer when she warned of beheadings in the desert — and was mocked for it.

One thing is certain: They're here now.

So where are the mainstream media that had been so quick to criticize Brewer for calling attention to the very serious issue of Mexico's vicious drug war, which is now spilling over onto American soil?

http://news.investor...82&p=1&ibdbot=1

[buckshot]

Legalize drugs and tax them like we do alcohol........End of problem.

[Buddy Kidd]

Wrong

[Center Punch]

buckshot, on 22 January 2012 - 07:38 PM, said:

Legalize drugs and tax them like we do alcohol........End of problem.

First... I think this is the wrong move. More serious penalties should be given as well as ending our own .gov agency's self imposed ineficiencies which are designed to grow that department.... are the real steps in the right direction.
The way it is set up now, it has been designed to be a never ending - and industry GROWING - battle.


BUT... Just to play along with those who want to reward bad behavior....

Legalize drugs and make it so those using - and selling - LOSE some perks of our citizenship status.

Drugs in your system?

1. So sorry... No voteing for you.

2. So sorry... You were also involved in a crime so straight to jail you go.

3. So sorry... Someone clean of drugs in their system used deadly force to stop you from committing that crime... they immediately go free and can never be brought into court, sued, or sent to jail for stopping those choosing to do drugs.

4. So sorry... You choose to hire drug users, and/or make money off drugs, this fact must be stated clearly and front - center. There will be no "Don't ask - Don't tell" deceptions allowed. Less tax deductions too.



I could come up with more... heh,heh, heh....

[Center Punch]

Bump.

buck? Anyone?

[Buddy Kidd]

Buck knows he is wrong on this as he is on most things.

[buckshot]

First... I think this is the wrong move. More serious penalties should be given as well as ending our own .gov agency's self imposed ineficiencies which are designed to grow that department.... are the real steps in the right direction.
The way it is set up now, it has been designed to be a never ending - and industry GROWING - battle.

Any idea how many illegal drug users are in our prisons, and jails, plus the cost to law enforcement and the court system. Just like when we wised up and removed the amendment to outlaw the sale of alcohol that stopped the mob killings and government corruption.

[Buddy Kidd]

Any idea how many more children will be able to get and use hard drugs if we follow your advice Buck?

[Center Punch]

buckshot, on 24 January 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:

First... I think this is the wrong move. More serious penalties should be given as well as ending our own .gov agency's self imposed ineficiencies which are designed to grow that department.... are the real steps in the right direction.
The way it is set up now, it has been designed to be a never ending - and industry GROWING - battle.

Any idea how many illegal drug users are in our prisons, and jails, plus the cost to law enforcement and the court system. Just like when we wised up and removed the amendment to outlaw the sale of alcohol that stopped the mob killings and government corruption.

You talked about one little thing and ignored the REAL meat of my post. And you know it.

Now. Keep going.... address the rest of my post.

Do you need me to call you a name again? Hahahahaha!!!!!

[Center Punch]

Come on Cupcake.

Do the honorable thing... running isn't good.

[buckshot]

Center Punch, on 23 January 2012 - 11:03 AM, said:

buckshot, on 22 January 2012 - 07:38 PM, said:

Legalize drugs and tax them like we do alcohol........End of problem.

First... I think this is the wrong move. More serious penalties should be given as well as ending our own .gov agency's self imposed ineficiencies which are designed to grow that department.... are the real steps in the right direction.
The way it is set up now, it has been designed to be a never ending - and industry GROWING - battle.


BUT... Just to play along with those who want to reward bad behavior....

Legalize drugs and make it so those using - and selling - LOSE some perks of our citizenship status.

Drugs in your system?

1. So sorry... No voteing for you.

2. So sorry... You were also involved in a crime so straight to jail you go.

3. So sorry... Someone clean of drugs in their system used deadly force to stop you from committing that crime... they immediately go free and can never be brought into court, sued, or sent to jail for stopping those choosing to do drugs.

4. So sorry... You choose to hire drug users, and/or make money off drugs, this fact must be stated clearly and front - center. There will be no "Don't ask - Don't tell" deceptions allowed. Less tax deductions too.



I could come up with more... heh,heh, heh....

CP,I can't understand what you are talking about, sounds like just gibberish to me. With my concept only pharmacies could dispense the drugs under the FDA regulations like now, where heroin addicts get Methadone legally to help control the street sales. The only drug that would be illegal would be PCP which has become unpopular as a street drug. Those individuals who rob and kill to feed their addiction would no longer have to commit crimes to satisfy their addiction. Alcohol is a big problem for the police when you look at the incidence of drunk drivers and the accidents they cause. The millions that would be saved, part of which could go toward rehabilitation that would also benefit young users rather then jail or prison.

[Center Punch]

I knew it.

Chicken.

Don't have enough time right now to go further, but....

So... just because drugs are legal means the users won't need money to buy them? Wow! You REALLY do want to reward bad behavior. You wanna have the taxpayer fund this too, I see.

Again. You cowardly refused to look at my entire post.

Those companies making money off of these drugs, will not have tax breaks and The People can choose NOT to spend their money with said companies. Other employers can also REFUSE to employ those with drugs in their system.

You gotta make it a hot potato that no one wants to touch... kinda like the reprecussions(sp?) of drunk driving.

Gotta go. May have time for more before evening. May not.

[Ghostman]

...two rows of fence running the entire length of the southern border. Triple rows of razor wire on the top. Anti-personel mines between the two lengths. Manned Guard Towers every quarter mile with interlocking fields of fire. Remote cameras and listening devices. And a President and Congress with a love of freedom, the Constitution and the will to defend the American people...even the ones who don't vote for them.

[wing]

I have the perfect solution to the drug problem, and it puts to use one or two of the military posts which have been closed down in recent years. It is foolproof!

First, open up someplace like Fort McPherson, Alabama and perhaps Kinchloe Air Force Base in upper Michigan. Advertise FREE drugs...whatever you want; weed, heroin, coke, crack, meth...whatever your pleasure. Only catch is, you MUST live on the base, period. No leaving. Post armed guards at all gates, put towers at reasonable intervals and man them with marines with M60 machine guns. You stay, you get free dope for the rest of your presumably shortened life. You try to leave you die of lead poisoning instantly. Anyone caught by law enforcement (anyone who isn't already a resident that is) for say, the third time...is not sentenced to prison, but instead is sent to drug heaven at either Fort McPherson or Kinchloe, for the rest of their lives. Period. No appeal, no parole, no rehab, no nothing. By using that poison you are already sacrificing your life or at least shortening it. By moving your sorry ass into one of the forts/bases, at the very least you are no longer adversely effecting other people who know better than to abuse drugs.

No cops in the compound, very limited medical services...but unlimited medications! No more cops getting killed on the streets trying to enforce drug laws, no more organized crime making money selling the stuff, no more Mexican cartels or Colombian cartels...the government will buy and provide any and all drugs free of charge.

Now...shoot holes in it and tell my why not!

[Lead Dog]

wing, on 28 January 2012 - 04:03 PM, said:

I have the perfect solution to the drug problem, and it puts to use one or two of the military posts which have been closed down in recent years. It is foolproof!

First, open up someplace like Fort McPherson, Alabama and perhaps Kinchloe Air Force Base in upper Michigan. Advertise FREE drugs...whatever you want; weed, heroin, coke, crack, meth...whatever your pleasure. Only catch is, you MUST live on the base, period. No leaving. Post armed guards at all gates, put towers at reasonable intervals and man them with marines with M60 machine guns. You stay, you get free dope for the rest of your presumably shortened life. You try to leave you die of lead poisoning instantly. Anyone caught by law enforcement (anyone who isn't already a resident that is) for say, the third time...is not sentenced to prison, but instead is sent to drug heaven at either Fort McPherson or Kinchloe, for the rest of their lives. Period. No appeal, no parole, no rehab, no nothing. By using that poison you are already sacrificing your life or at least shortening it. By moving your sorry ass into one of the forts/bases, at the very least you are no longer adversely effecting other people who know better than to abuse drugs.

No cops in the compound, very limited medical services...but unlimited medications! No more cops getting killed on the streets trying to enforce drug laws, no more organized crime making money selling the stuff, no more Mexican cartels or Colombian cartels...the government will buy and provide any and all drugs free of charge.

Now...shoot holes in it and tell my why not!

Dare I mention the mandatory neutering procedure that would necessarily accompany this move to "Druggy Utopia" ?
Better not!! Never mind!

[Center Punch]

My way empowers The People.

buckshot, telcoman... and the people they enable with their "justify and reward bad behavior" outlook... are free to choose drugs as the right way for them and are fully aware of the reprecussions. No voting for starters. The Employers are free to kick them out on their asses for failing the "instantly adictive" drugs. And when they try to commit a crime, the clean Americans are free to protect themselves FREE of legal remifications.

We ALL are empowered. As it should be.

[buckshot]

wing, on 28 January 2012 - 04:03 PM, said:

I have the perfect solution to the drug problem, and it puts to use one or two of the military posts which have been closed down in recent years. It is foolproof!

First, open up someplace like Fort McPherson, Alabama and perhaps Kinchloe Air Force Base in upper Michigan. Advertise FREE drugs...whatever you want; weed, heroin, coke, crack, meth...whatever your pleasure. Only catch is, you MUST live on the base, period. No leaving. Post armed guards at all gates, put towers at reasonable intervals and man them with marines with M60 machine guns. You stay, you get free dope for the rest of your presumably shortened life. You try to leave you die of lead poisoning instantly. Anyone caught by law enforcement (anyone who isn't already a resident that is) for say, the third time...is not sentenced to prison, but instead is sent to drug heaven at either Fort McPherson or Kinchloe, for the rest of their lives. Period. No appeal, no parole, no rehab, no nothing. By using that poison you are already sacrificing your life or at least shortening it. By moving your sorry ass into one of the forts/bases, at the very least you are no longer adversely effecting other people who know better than to abuse drugs.

No cops in the compound, very limited medical services...but unlimited medications! No more cops getting killed on the streets trying to enforce drug laws, no more organized crime making money selling the stuff, no more Mexican cartels or Colombian cartels...the government will buy and provide any and all drugs free of charge.

Now...shoot holes in it and tell my why not!

Sounds good to me......It would solve many of the problems that are occuring here in the USA. Something like Devils island, and let them have at it.

[buckshot]

A better way to solve the drug problem, and Portugal has found it.

http://www.time.com/...1893946,00.html

Edited by buckshot, 25 February 2012 - 01:25 PM.

[Buddy Kidd]

I find it hard to believe that a person who is so worried about who is going to take care of Down Syndrome children could care less about who is going to take care of all the addicts that drugs over the counter would make.

[kiwi_too]

Buck,

Everything I read from you, you are promoting anarchy. If you had ever seen what drugs, not the gateway drug of marijuana, but real drugs, you would not want that running free in your neighborhood. Designer drugs are worse. Addicts are a real drain and inconvenience to society. I am surprised that you have not called for euthanasia of this crowd. After all, parents and society should not have to care for them.

You do not legalize the problem just because it is a huge problem and expect that will make it better. You find a way to stop the problem. Secure the borders. Get rid of the source. Therapy and support are already available.