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[buckshot]

French soldiers killed by well trained Afghanistan soldiers. They have killed our soldiers on four occasions, enough is enough.

http://abcnews.go.co...-crash-15400227

[Buddy Kidd]

Of course they would pull them out Buck. When the number one player says he is going to cut and run (read that surrender) then why shouldn't they?

[buckshot]

Buddy Kidd, on 20 January 2012 - 05:38 PM, said:

Of course they would pull them out Buck. When the number one player says he is going to cut and run (read that surrender) then why shouldn't they?

Buddy, so you think we should leave our soldiers there when the Afghan soldiers who are supposed to be on our side are killing our troops to become martyrs? I think you are wrong......

[Buddy Kidd]

Lets put this in a framework that perhaps you can understand.

Using your logic, we should pull all the policemen off the streets because from time to time one of them gets killed while on the job.

[buckshot]

Buddy Kidd, on 21 January 2012 - 10:29 AM, said:

Lets put this in a framework that perhaps you can understand.

Using your logic, we should pull all the policemen off the streets because from time to time one of them gets killed while on the job.

Police officers do not kill other police officers. Your reply is the most idiotic reasoning that I have ever read..

[Buddy Kidd]

Why does it make any difference who the killer is Buck? The man is dead any way you look at it.

Besides, it is only an excuse to get out because of Obamas surrender. No use getting killed when you are going to surrender anyway. How does surrendering feel to you Buck? Does it make you feel warm and fuzzy inside knowing all the blood and treasure which has been wasted in two wars because of your vote?

[buckshot]

Buddy Kidd, on 21 January 2012 - 05:30 PM, said:

Why does it make any difference who the killer is Buck? The man is dead any way you look at it.

Besides, it is only an excuse to get out because of Obamas surrender. No use getting killed when you are going to surrender anyway. How does surrendering feel to you Buck? Does it make you feel warm and fuzzy inside knowing all the blood and treasure which has been wasted in two wars because of your vote?

Buddy, don't hang the two wars on Obama, Bush was the guy who started them, and Obama is trying his best to get us out of that neck of the woods. Once again, Police do not shoot each other, at times they have given their life to save another officer. The Taliban is not like that, they kill our soldiers to become martyrs. About time to stop this useless effort to change their sick ideology, and rebuild their country with our tax payers money.

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You sound as though you don't care if they murder our soldiers, what would you do to stop them? Lets read your answer to this question.

Edited by buckshot, 21 January 2012 - 07:34 PM.

[buckshot]

Buddy, this an article from the WSJ that brings to light what is happening to our troops in Afghanistan.

http://online.wsj.co...3385348524.html

http://www.nytimes.c...ied-forces.html

Peter Byrne/Press Association, via Associated Press



A decade into the war in Afghanistan, the report makes clear that these killings have become the most visible symptom of a far deeper ailment plaguing the war effort: the contempt each side holds for the other, never mind the Taliban. The ill will and mistrust run deep among civilians and militaries on both sides, raising questions about what future role the United States and its allies can expect to play in Afghanistan.

Underscoring the danger, a gunman in an Afghan Army uniform killed four French service members and wounded several others on Friday, according to an Afghan police official in Kapisa Province in eastern Afghanistan, prompting the French president to suspend his country’s operations here.

The violence, and the failure by coalition commanders to address it, casts a harsh spotlight on the shortcomings of American efforts to build a functional Afghan Army, a pillar of the Obama administration’s strategy for extricating the United States from the war in Afghanistan, said the officers and experts who helped shape the strategy.

The problems risk leaving the United States and its allies dependent on an Afghan force that is permeated by anti-Western sentiment and incapable of combating the Taliban and other militants when NATO’s combat mission ends in 2014, they said.

One instance of the general level of antipathy in the war exploded into uncomfortable view last week when video emerged of American Marines urinating on dead Taliban fighters. Although American commanders quickly took action and condemned the act, chat-room and Facebook posts by Marines and their supporters were full of praise for the desecration.

But the most troubling fallout has been the mounting number of Westerners killed by their Afghan allies, events that have been routinely dismissed by American and NATO officials as isolated episodes that are the work of disturbed individual soldiers or Taliban infiltrators, and not indicative of a larger pattern. The unusually blunt report, which was prepared for a subordinate American command in eastern Afghanistan, takes a decidedly different view. The Wall Street Journal reported on details of the investigation last year. A copy was obtained by The New York Times.

“Lethal altercations are clearly not rare or isolated; they reflect a rapidly growing systemic homicide threat (a magnitude of which may be unprecedented between ‘allies’ in modern military history),” it said. Official NATO pronouncements to the contrary “seem disingenuous, if not profoundly intellectually dishonest,” said the report, and it played down the role of Taliban infiltrators in the killings.

The coalition refused to comment on the classified report. But “incidents in the recent past where Afghan soldiers have wounded or killed I.S.A.F. members are isolated cases and are not occurring on a routine basis,” said Lt. Col. Jimmie E. Cummings Jr. of the Army, a spokesman for the American-led International Security Assistance Force. “We train and are partnered with Afghan personnel every day and we are not seeing any issues or concerns with our relationships.”

The numbers appear to tell a different story. Although NATO does not release a complete tally of its forces’ deaths at the hands of Afghan soldiers and the police, the classified report and coalition news releases indicate that Afghan forces have attacked American and allied service members nearly three dozen times since 2007.

Two members of the French Foreign Legion and one American soldier were killed in separate episodes in the past month, according to statements by NATO. The classified report found that between May 2007 and May 2011, when it was completed, at least 58 Western service members were killed in 26 separate attacks by Afghan soldiers and the police nationwide. Most of those attacks have occurred since October 2009. This toll represented 6 percent of all hostile coalition deaths during that period, the report said.

Edited by buckshot, 22 January 2012 - 08:01 AM.

[wing]

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Police officers do not kill other police officers. Your reply is the most idiotic reasoning that I have ever read..

Ever heard or Chicago or Detroit Buck? Cops killing cops in those two cities from time to time. I bethca it happens in LA too. Who is the idiot NOW?

[Buddy Kidd]

buckshot, on 21 January 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

Buddy Kidd, on 21 January 2012 - 05:30 PM, said:

Why does it make any difference who the killer is Buck? The man is dead any way you look at it.

Besides, it is only an excuse to get out because of Obamas surrender. No use getting killed when you are going to surrender anyway. How does surrendering feel to you Buck? Does it make you feel warm and fuzzy inside knowing all the blood and treasure which has been wasted in two wars because of your vote?

Buddy, don't hang the two wars on Obama, Bush was the guy who started them, and Obama is trying his best to get us out of that neck of the woods. Once again, Police do not shoot each other, at times they have given their life to save another officer. The Taliban is not like that, they kill our soldiers to become martyrs. About time to stop this useless effort to change their sick ideology, and rebuild their country with our tax payers money.

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You sound as though you don't care if they murder our soldiers, what would you do to stop them? Lets read your answer to this question.

I hang the surrender and waste of tresure and blood on Obama. He is the one who is doing the surrendering to terrorists, not someone before him. Does it make you feel warm and fuzzy inside knowing all the blood and treasure which has been spent in two wars is being wasted because of your vote? Lets read your answer to this question.

As Wing has said, police do kill police and why does it make a difference who the killer is Buck? The person is dead regardless of who does the deed.

Of course I care who kills our soldiers Buck. Why would you think otherwise? I am for winning the war, not surrendering like you are.

[buckshot]

No sense to even continue. You and Wing have made up your minds that no mattter how many American troops have been murdered by the Taliban posing as Afghan soldiers, we should just stand by and watch it happen. I think both of you are crazy.

[Buddy Kidd]

I see you can not answer my questions even though I answered yours.

[buckshot]

What is your solution to the problem of the Taliban posing as afghan soldiers and murdering our troops? I have asked you twice with no answer

[Buddy Kidd]

I answered it Buck. Win the war rather than surrendering like Obama is doing. When Obama announces the date we will leave it can only lead to one thing, the killing of more Americans. You voted for this effect Buck.

Does it make you feel warm and fuzzy inside knowing all the blood and treasure which has been spent in two wars is being wasted because of your vote? Lets read your answer to this question.

[buckshot]

How are you going to win the war and end the killing of our troops???? This war has been going on for years and yet you want to leave our troops there in the hands of Jihadists that want us out of their country. This my last post since you will not tell me how you intend to win this war.

[Buddy Kidd]

Win it similary like we did in Iraq before Obama surrendered.

Does it make you feel warm and fuzzy inside knowing all the blood and treasure which has been spent in two wars is being wasted because of your vote? Lets read your answer to this question.

[Center Punch]

buckshot, on 22 January 2012 - 07:35 PM, said:

How are you going to win the war and end the killing of our troops???? This war has been going on for years and yet you want to leave our troops there in the hands of Jihadists that want us out of their country. This my last post since you will not tell me how you intend to win this war.

Yet another example of your cowardice.

Imagine you are in a court of law and if you tried to dodge the question for the third time, the judge warns, he will hold you in contempt.

War is hell. People get killed. No different that WWII... The fight is to preserve life. More lives will be lost due to surrender.

[buckshot]

Hey CP, you refer to me as a coward??? I had a hard time not answering your slur, but you would never say that to my face. As to the court of law, you had better get a law degree before you shoot your mouth off about how much you know about the law. The fact remains is how can we stop the Afghan soldiers who we trained, fed, and equipped with modern weapons from murdering our soldiers? You and buddy say it's easy, just win the war. This is not a war, but just an effort to rebuild their country, and teach them something different then their radical views of the Koran and our concept of democracy. Because of that fact, we could stay there for years to come, with them still thinking that we are dogs to be killed, and invaders of their country. Since it is not a war, just leave that term out of this disagreement. An example of what we have to face is the radical Islamist types, like the one who was a medical doctor with our military, and who killed 9 Americans right here in our country. We will never ever change their religious views, like they will never ever change ours. This would not be cowardice to leave, just common sense to leave, and use our drones and special ops forces to eliminate those who may be planning against us.

Edited by buckshot, 23 January 2012 - 07:05 PM.

[Center Punch]

Betcha I would when you attempt to dodge multiple times.

You'll be suprised at how things won't go as you've planned when you physically attack me over words...


Anyhow...

Ask one of the coaches how they plan to win this year's Superbowl. That's how wars go. Much like sports games, wars simply can't be choreographed (sp?), no matter how much the stooooopid Liverals think it can.

And... we have the firepower to win. Our politicians simply won't let our military win a war. They handicap our troops too much. They have been doing this since 'Nam.

[buckshot]

CP let this sink into your dense skull, we are not at war with Afghanistan, and never have been. We supplied most of their war material to fight against the Russians and supported what was called the northern Alliance. We went into Afghanistan to go after Ben Laden after 911 when they would not turn him over to us. He escaped into the Boro Boro area and we gave up trying to find him. Our drones and special ops forces can do the job without having thousands of our troops being the targets of the radical Islamists.