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[buckshot]

Aw shucks, it was fun while it lasted. Buddy knew that I knew, when I refused to post the entire post by Richard. Oh well, back to where the big battles are fought.

[Jack of 32]

The big difference between you and Richard is that you truly loved voting for Obama thinking he would really make a difference with his Hope and Change. And you will more than likely vote for him again this time around.

So we now know who it the true Obama lover and the loser.....

[buckshot]

Jack of 32, on 17 January 2012 - 12:58 AM, said:

The big difference between you and Richard is that you truly loved voting for Obama thinking he would really make a difference with his Hope and Change. And you will more than likely vote for him again this time around.

So we now know who it the true Obama lover and the loser.....

Lighten up Jack, you are getting to old to not enjoy a little pulling each others chain now and then. If the economy continues to improve, and employment continues to rise and Obamas sanctions against Iran work, I might just vote for him again. On a personal basis, I tend to like the Guy.

[wing]

Day late and a dollar short Buck. A lie was told and the intentions were to mislead. Dance around that all you want to. Most of us know better...

[Ghostman]

buckshot, on 17 January 2012 - 06:17 AM, said:

Jack of 32, on 17 January 2012 - 12:58 AM, said:

The big difference between you and Richard is that you truly loved voting for Obama thinking he would really make a difference with his Hope and Change. And you will more than likely vote for him again this time around.

So we now know who it the true Obama lover and the loser.....

Lighten up Jack, you are getting to old to not enjoy a little pulling each others chain now and then. If the economy continues to improve, and employment continues to rise and Obamas sanctions against Iran work, I might just vote for him again. On a personal basis, I tend to like the Guy.

...improving econemy??? ...rising employment??? ...sanctions against Iran working??? ...pigs must have sprouted wings!!!

[buckshot]

wing, on 27 January 2012 - 06:05 PM, said:

Day late and a dollar short Buck. A lie was told and the intentions were to mislead. Dance around that all you want to. Most of us know better...

Wing, I knew damn well that Richard voted for Obama to teach the GOP a lesson on true conservatism. That is the only reason that I would not display all of his post. Just reread it and you will know what I mean.

I am constantly amused by Democrats bashing President Bush for in many respects his domestic policy was their policy and President Obama did not stray from the course President Bush had set he simply called for more steam as he accelerated down the same disastrous path.

Best Regards,
Richard

Edited by buckshot, 28 January 2012 - 07:47 AM.

[Buddy Kidd]

A lie is a lie Buck, and like your hero Obama, you have told a large one.

[wing]

This looks promising...

[buckshot]

Buddy Kidd, on 28 January 2012 - 12:36 PM, said:

A lie is a lie Buck, and like your hero Obama, you have told a large one.

Buddy, what did I lie about? I was just pulling everybodies legs, and that should be obvious.

[wing]

It wasn't.

[Lead Dog]

[buckshot]

Like I posted "time to get out of Afghanistan" two more American soldiers murdered by Afghan soldiers who we are paying and training.

http://news.antiwar....ls-2-us-troops/

[Buddy Kidd]

YUP, and we should have done the same thing in the War of 1812, Spanish-American War, WWI, WWII, Korea, ect......

All we should ever do is surrender anytime an American is killed according to you and your pacifist friends.

[Lead Dog]

[buckshot]

Once again Americans being murdered.

http://www.usatoday....ests/53240476/1

[Buddy Kidd]

Buddy Kidd, on 24 February 2012 - 09:17 AM, said:

YUP, and we should have done the same thing in the War of 1812, Spanish-American War, WWI, WWII, Korea, ect......

All we should ever do is surrender anytime an American is killed according to you and your pacifist friends.

Same answer Buck.

[buckshot]

Buddy, if you had a kid serving in Afghanistan I think you would feel differently. My sister does, and everytime the phone rings she almost has a panic attack.

[kiwi_too]

Buck,

I am sorry that your sister reacts that way. I am sorry for anyone that waits on the worst. I suspect she will celebrate with the same passion when her kid returns.

You know what I do for a living. I have been in Iraq three times. I am a regional manager of a team of folks and always have some of my team in Afgn. I do not sit by the phone nor think it bad news when it rings. I dread the day that it is. Maybe it is different for me, as I have spent over 30 years in defense of our country, as a soldier and now as a contractor. As a contractor, I have helped bloody soldiers out of their vehicles and into the medical center, then secured their weapons for them, until their leaders arrived and secured the situation and verified the condition of their soldiers.

Why did I write that? It is because Buddy has a point that you wish to make into an emotional tug of war (pardon the pun) but it cannot be. When a government sends it's sons and daughters to war, it cannot rely on knee jerk (emotional) reactions. The objectives need to be obtainable and clear. The methodology of attaining that/those goals must be well thought out and adhered. The loss of one or any life must be an significantly emotional event but must never outweigh the goals of the military in view of it's defense and impact on the people (society) it is fighting for.

I knew the Command Sergeants Major on my first tour, pretty well. We sat down one day and I commented on how tired he looked. He said "I had to write a couple more letters today and I have some phone calls to make." During the conversation he also commented that in the year they had lost 49 soldiers. He was referring, of course, to the fatalities. We talked a bit about the other casualties, as well. Now to the point. At the end of the conversation, he said goodbye and that he had 5000 more soldiers to take care of so he did not have to write or call another family.

While, as a senior leader, the weight of the casualties set squarely on his shoulder, he was ready to degment his mind and focus on mission and troop motivation, education and support. He knew that he could not, even if he wanted to (though he did not want to), he could not lose focus on the mission, goals and objectives which were given him.

As you should know, the President and his senior advisers are reviewing those goals and objectives, constantly. You have seen in the news that the President is considering an exit strategy. When the government decides that the goa;s and objectives are obtained or no longer obtainable, then the government will redefine the goals annd objectives or withdraw troops.

No knee jerks at every casualty.

[buckshot]

Three comments Kiwi, thanks for your service to our country. My sister uses a cell phone for all of her communications, and reserves the regular phoneline for calls from, or about, my nephew Adam. How can we ever get out if we never give a date when we will be leaving? If we don't do this they will use our country to rebuild theirs, when we can't afford to rebuild ours.

[kiwi_too]

Thank you. It is an honor doing what I do.

That sounds like a rough situation. Only telemarketers and her nephew use the phone. I can see how she would be anxious every time it rings.

You do not know if there is an exit strategy. You do not know if what the leaders are talking about. When decided you will not know the exit strategy. You won't until someone decides to make it public. There will likely already be plans in place. You can guess and second guess until you make yourself and everyone here crazy about what you think the government should do. That is off topic of whether we should get out because of your OP.

The premise of your OP insinuates that we should knee jerk withdraw. Again, my opinion is that we do not knee jerk.