186 replies to this topic

[Irongoat]

Jim, There is no one questioning the fact that Sandusky is a bad guy and should spend the rest of his miserable life behind bars. The question is someone who knows about a rape and does not call the police a bad guy.

Paterno is a bad guy...he didn't call the cops and even allowed the rapist to have free run of a shower facility in order to continue his rapes.

[Jim Miller]

Have you read anything I posted, Iron?

This will make some here very happy.

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STATE COLLEGE — Former Penn State coach Joe Paterno has a treatable form of lung cancer, according to his son.

Scott Paterno says in a statement provided to The Associated Press by a family representative that the 84-year-old Joe Paterno is undergoing treatment and that “his doctors are optimistic he will make a full recovery.”

My link

[buckshot]

This all sounds unusual to me because when I worked at night in a predominately black part of Los Angeles, the problem was gays coming into this part of Los Angeles and paying young black kids to sodomize them.The gays were always on the receiving end of this sexual act. The kids were turned over to http://www.leginfo.c...codesection=wic, and the gays were subjected to many different charges, that went from jail time, to being listed as a child molester.

This might seem unusual, but we never had a problem with the gay men sodomizing the kids which seems to have happened in this case.

[TennesseeT]

No one wishes Joe Paterno any ill health. The entire sorry story is a big cover up. If he and the others had told years ago they would have been held up as responsible citizens and the university would have been held up as an example of how an institution does everything to protect the innocent. Now the university will have its rear sued off and those prominent figures will go down in disgrace.

Seems it would have been a whole lot better to have done the right thing.

For those who think Joe had done enough, I wonder what you would have done in his shoes.!

[Jim Miller]

I would have done as Joe did - follow the law.

[Jack of 32]

Jim Miller, on 18 November 2011 - 07:00 PM, said:

I would have done as Joe did - follow the law.

There are two laws, man's law and God's law. He fulfilled man's law and not God's law IMO...

[Jim Miller]

Isn't that between him and his God? Why should he be persecuted for adhering to man's law? Judge not lest ye be judged. Didn't I read that somewhere?

Edited by Jim Miller, 18 November 2011 - 07:40 PM.

[TennesseeT]

! have to wonder if Joe in "following the law" as Jim Miller thinks was all that was required of him ( and as Jim Miller himself responded he would have done) was told by his superior to keep his mouth shut.

Miller weren't you a school teacher? I have to say, I am disappointed to know how you would have handled such a situation if you witnessed another teacher raping a child. And this folks is how our education system is all about the children?

I don't want a drawn out argument with you and will not get into or respond to a rant. You have lowered yourself to a low level in my respect but I am sure you would not lose any sleep over that either.

[Jim Miller]

I will not respond to someone that is as clueless as you are about the laws of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. I won't wrestle with a pig. I do not understand your reluctance to be faced with the truth though.

[TennesseeT]

Jim Miller, on 18 November 2011 - 08:45 PM, said:

I will not respond to someone that is as clueless as you are about the laws of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. I won't wrestle with a pig. I do not understand your reluctance to be faced with the truth though.

Nice. An example once again. Makes me glad not to be a resident of the state of Pennsylvania, or have had a child in any of your schools or universities. And for the record, you don't know what I know about the law of that state. I just wonder if you teach kids to report to a teacher who can "follow the law". This "pig" has you blocked, so you can save your wrestling skills.

[Jim Miller]

That is good. It will cut down on the odor. Thanks.

[Grasshopper]

TennesseeT, on 18 November 2011 - 09:36 PM, said:

Jim Miller, on 18 November 2011 - 08:45 PM, said:

I will not respond to someone that is as clueless as you are about the laws of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. I won't wrestle with a pig. I do not understand your reluctance to be faced with the truth though.

Nice. An example once again. Makes me glad not to be a resident of the state of Pennsylvania, or have had a child in any of your schools or universities. And for the record, you don't know what I know about the law of that state. I just wonder if you teach kids to report to a teacher who can "follow the law". This "pig" has you blocked, so you can save your wrestling skills.

Jim Miller, on 18 November 2011 - 10:26 PM, said:

That is good. It will cut down on the odor. Thanks.

What a fine example of an NEA gentleman. You should really be proud on yourself.

[Jim Miller]

Waaaaaa. Did you really expect me to not fight back when attacked?

Edited by Jim Miller, 19 November 2011 - 02:48 AM.

[Irongoat]

Breach members: Even though I know Jim is wrong on this one we need to keep this discussion on a higher level. Jim is a good guy and I respect his right to post here. I post on ther Breach because it is not F&I or The Congress where name calling is dominant.

I hope I have not offended anyone as I consider all of you as my friends. Please take this as a friend talking to a friend and not as an adversary.

[Grey Mountain]

"Judge not, that ye be not judged....(Matthew 7:1)" is one of the most mis-understood scriptures in the Bible. For a proper understanding, we need to read the next verse as well:

For with what judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged; and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Matt 7:2

We are further to "judge righteous judgement."

Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgement. John 8:24

So, yes, we are in fact called to judge,but with a caveat - "righteous judgement."

I don't know, nor does anyone else here, all the facts. Let's not forget the most important element here - the young, innocent kids involved. They appear to have been forgotten in the rush to blame.

There is enough guilt and blame to go around. Sandusky, Paterno, Penn State officials, etc., etc.

I agree wholeheartedly that, although Paterno appears to have followed the letter of the law, he did not follow the most basic law - protect our kids. As the most visible person involved, he may have been thrown under the bus by Penn State...

Lonnie

[Irongoat]

Grey Mountain, on 19 November 2011 - 07:57 AM, said:

"Judge not, that ye be not judged....(Matthew 7:1)" is one of the most mis-understood scriptures in the Bible. For a proper understanding, we need to read the next verse as well:

For with what judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged; and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Matt 7:2

We are further to "judge righteous judgement."

Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgement. John 8:24

So, yes, we are in fact called to judge,but with a caveat - "righteous judgement."

I don't know, nor does anyone else here, all the facts. Let's not forget the most important element here - the young, innocent kids involved. They appear to have been forgotten in the rush to blame.

There is enough guilt and blame to go around. Sandusky, Paterno, Penn State officials, etc., etc.

I agree wholeheartedly that, although Paterno appears to have followed the letter of the law, he did not follow the most basic law - protect our kids. As the most visible person involved, he may have been thrown under the bus by Penn State...

Lonnie

GM, In many ways we are failing our children (I'm speaking of soceity at large) and failing to protect our children. The Penn State situation sticks out like a sore thumb and the actions of the University Board to rectify the situation is to be commended. I agree with your post.

[Center Punch]

When good men do nothing... It aplies to so much.

Why do the good men do nothing? Save a job. And save legal defense money.
They would rather let terrible things happen to kids.

To those involved in both the actions and the inactions (I know that isn't put together with the best wording)... Pitiful. At Best.

To those defending the inactions which cause such damge - to kids especially... Even worse. As you empower evil.

Terrible to read some of the stuff here.

[Jim Miller]

Agree CP. However, that does not apply to Joe Paterno. If you folks would read what was posted you would have seen that Joe did report the incident to the head of the Police department. Why you folks still want to hang Joe is beyond me. Being judgmental is something that you will have to discuss with your God.

[Center Punch]

Yea, you keep justifying things Jimmy. (Edited to add: And attempting to throw the religion smoke screen up.)

I'm sure that's what the parents of the kids think.... "Oh well. He did all he could do by telling his superiors and one Police dept."

Again. Terrible to read such stuff here.

Edited by Center Punch, 19 November 2011 - 12:58 PM.

[Jim Miller]

It is terrible to see otherwise intelligent people turn their backs on the facts.