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#1 OFFLINE   Fr. Mike

 

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 02:02 PM

I happen to feel discust and shame for Mr. Meyers who pinned the attached article. What in the world is wrong with caring for the medical needs of our working poor? And by the way--as more and more good paying industries are shipped off shore then more and more people will claim that title.

I'm simply appalled by an attitude of those who happen to "by the grace of "GOD", enjoy a standard of living that allows them to pay for their own medical needs-- and yet are so self centered that they could deny basic healthcare to others who are less fortunate. The author fits that bill and he should instead be writing an article that praises our countries ability to tend to the needs of its elderly and less fortunate. But no---he writes as if the have's should be appalled and in fear for their own "lucky charms".

It is tiring to hear the complaints and admonishements that spew forth from closed off hearts . "Why don't they just get a job and quit asking for a handout?" A question like that does not even deserve the dignity of an answer. circumstances, abilities, predjudices, bad luck, or any number of issues can result in a spot on the park bench with newsprint for a blanket. Addicitions, chronic illness, being a child or any other matters related to income standard can result in people not eating, being sick, and in need of shelter and aid.

And don't for a minute think you are immune from the sweeping hand of fate. Cancer, heart attacks, strokes, natural disasters, and any other number of circumstances can quickly wipe the smile of prosperity off any of our faces.

I know we have many conservatives on this board. Do you agree with the author of this article and his obvious detest for homeland charitable works within American government.






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Greatest Expansion of Social Programs in U.S. History
Jim Meyers, NewsMax.com
Tuesday, March 14, 2006

The expansion of benefit programs since 2000 has led to the greatest increase in social spending in American history – with entitlement programs now accounting for more than half of all federal spending.

A USA Today analysis released Tuesday of 25 major government programs – including health care, college aid and food stamps – revealed that enrollment surged an average of 17 percent from 2000 to 2005, while the nation's population increased by only 5 percent.

It marked the largest five-year growth in enrollment since Medicare, Medicaid and other social programs were created during Lyndon Johnson's "Great Society" movement in the 1960s.

Spending on social programs was $1.3 trillion last year, an inflation-adjusted increase of 22 percent since 2000, according to the USA Today report.

Enrollment growth accounted for most of the spending increase:

Medicaid added 18 million beneficiaries – a 50 percent increase since 2000 – and is now the nation's largest entitlement program, costing the federal government $198 billion last year. Once a program for Americans on welfare, Medicaid has been expanded to include the working poor and now has an enrollment of 53.4 million.

The number of Americans receiving food stamps rose 49.6 percent in the past five years and now stands at 25.7 million. Expanded eligibility led to much of the increase and helped put the 2005 tab at $33 billion.

The number of college students receiving Pell grants increased 41 percent over five years, to 5.3 million. The program cost $13 billion in 2005.

The five-year period also saw enrollment increases in child nutrition programs, unemployment compensation, veterans benefits and other programs.

The worse may be yet to come: The nation's 79 million baby boomers will begin to qualify for Social Security in 2008, and for Medicare in 2011. [Editor's Note: The baby boomers will swamp the nation's health care and pension systems. Make sure your investments are protected! Get a free report to prepare for this demographic tidal wave - Click Here Now]

The Nightmare of Medicaid

As NewsMax reported last year, the extension of taxpayer-funded Medicaid to the working poor has been the single largest factor in the greatest expansion of government entitlements since the Great Society was launched in the 1960s.

The soaring costs of Medicaid – which more than doubled last year to close to $330 billion since 1999 – is largely due to legislation that extended Medicaid coverage to many Americans who have low-paying jobs.

The government's free health-care offering swelled Medicaid's numbers as many low-income workers are choosing Medicaid rather than insurance from their employer because it is free or nearly free and often provides more benefits.

The result has been a staggering growth in the welfare state – as the federal government has become the health insurer of 100 million Americans – about one of every three citizens.

The growth of the health entitlement program – which critics say has become national health care by stealth – has been embraced by both Republicans and Democrats.

President Bush has even proposed $1 billion in spending for the next two years "to encourage eligible families to sign up for Medicaid," USA Today noted.

Some experts blame the growth of Medicaid on 1996's landmark welfare reform legislation, which moved millions of welfare recipients off the welfare rolls and into low paying jobs.

To make sure these newly employed didn't lose free health benefits, the federal government enacted legislation to extend Medicaid to lower-incomed workers.

"Health coverage has been a costly side effect of welfare reform," the newspaper disclosed.

Now a great number of workers – many of whom were never on welfare - can also sign on for free health care.

Under federal rules, a family of four can earn as much as $40,000 a year in most states and still get government health insurance for children.

The Medicaid program has grown from covering 34 million individuals in 1999 to 47 million last year, and Medicaid costs have soared from $159 billion in 1997 to $295 billion in 2004 – an increase of 85 percent.

This year Medicaid spending is projected to hit $329 billion. Added to the staggering costs are new rules that provide Medicaid to illegal aliens – tacking on another $2.5 billion to annual costs.

Critics say Medicaid's expansion is adding to the crushing Federal deficit and luring workers from insurance plans offered by employers.

Supporters, on the other hand, maintain that Medicaid will prevent higher costs in the future by reducing emergency room visits by the uninsured.

But the expansion of benefits to low-income workers has made federal and state taxpayers "the health insurance provider for millions of workers at Wal-Mart, McDonald's and other low-wage employers," USA Today reports.

The federal government pays 59 percent of Medicaid costs; the states pay the rest. The rising costs are crushing many states, who say rising health costs are contributing to deficits.

Medicaid enrollment now even outpaces enrollment in Medicare, and many states are spending more on Medicaid than on anything else, including education.

Said Michael Cannon, director of health-care studies at the Cato Institute: "Shame on us for creating perverse incentives that cause people to give up private coverage for Medicaid."

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Edited by Fr. Mike, 15 March 2006 - 02:07 PM.

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 03:51 PM

This article bushes over several entitlement programs often with a broad brush. Is it your intent to discuss only the legislation which allowed workers who could have received health care from their employers to move over to a free tax supported system?

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 07:53 PM

I'm going to risk going off topic but what is never said in this article or any others must be pointed out. We, in the United States do not know poverty. Sure some people have it tough for whatever reason, but there is always a program or a safety net that keeps them.

If you doubt what I say, I suggest that you roll up your sleeves and work in some of the areas of the third and fourth world that I have. You'll see real poverty. The real belly popping, fly infested poverty that just makes you get down on your knees and thank the Almighty GOD that you are so blessed to live in the United States.

...of course, a trillion dollars in redistributed moneys isn't enough for some I guess.

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 08:36 PM

Not only do I agree with the article, I do not think that it goes nearly far enough.

I see nothing at all humane in creating a multitude of social welfare programs that instantiate character destroying dependencies on the federal government while subjecting the rest of the population to such crushing taxes that it makes it difficult for any decent, hard working man to provide for his family.

Charity should not be provided by the federal government, it should be provided by individuals, religious institutions and private organizations. I can think of nothing more destructive to the spirit and morality of a people then to make them dependent on social welfare programs.

Shame on Fr. Mike.

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 07:23 AM

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 11:31 AM

I will wear the title of shame with pride Richard. I would suggest that there are other items in the Federal budget less important than taking care of our own. There is no charity organization in existance that can absorb 1.3 trillion dollars a year in additional outlays. I agree we should all be individually involved without the need for government involvement. The truth of the matter is-- it won't happen under todays secular climate.

Why is that? because we live in an increasingly selfish society with fewer families attending church or participating in charitable giving.

Let me ask Bruce and Richard a simple question since neither of you are in favor of government outlays to the poor in our country. If it costs 1.3 trillion dollars a year to help those without , and the majority are children incapable of self suffiency, does your current charitable giving include enough to cover your families pro-rated portion of the amount needed to in the article?

For a family of four with each member providing their equal fair share of charitable costs and assuming we have 300 million folks in our country, that amounts to roughly $4,300 per year for the family of four.

I don't know how much 1.3 trillion dollars stacks up to total Federal outays each year. I assume the $4,200 is only a percentage of that same family of ours pro-rated obligation to the Federal budget. The truth of the matter is that most families don't give anywhere near what their true obligation to the budget is. But it seems appropriate for some to rave on about there hard earned wages going to taxes to support the poor.

The truth of the matter is that most of those in need of social services are incapable of taking care of their own needs. Children, elderly, and sick people are what we are talking about. So the next time you feel the urge to feel charitable, I suggest your roll up your sleeves and do as you suggest. And please don't pass up the opportunity to right out your check for the $4,300. It will be greatly appreciated by that little girl or boy.

Edited by Fr. Mike, 16 March 2006 - 11:34 AM.

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 11:34 AM

How much of the Federal Budget goes to helping people?

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 11:42 AM

View PostFr. Mike, on Mar 16 2006, 05:31 AM, said:

I will wear the title of shame with pride Richard. I would suggest that there are other items in the Federal budget less important than taking care of our own. There is no charity organization in existance that can absorb 1.3 trillion dollars a year in additional outlays. I agree we should all be individually involved without the need for government involvement. The truth of the matter is-- it won't happen under todays secular climate.

Why is that? because we live in an increasingly selfish society with fewer families attending church or participating in charitable giving.

Let me ask Bruce and Richard a simple question since neither of you are in favor of government outlays to the poor in our country. If it costs 1.3 trillion dollars a year to help those without , and the majority are children incapable of self suffiency, does your current charitable giving include enough to cover your families pro-rated portion of the amount needed to in the article?

For a family of four with each member providing their equal fair share of charitable costs and assuming we have 300 million folks in our country, that amounts to roughly $4,300 per year for the family of four.

I don't know how much 1.3 trillion dollars stacks up to total Federal outays each year. I assume the $4,200 is only a percentage of that same family of ours pro-rated obligation to the Federal budget. The truth of the matter is that most families don't give anywhere near what their true obligation to the budget is. But it seems appropriate for some to rave on about there hard earned wages going to taxes to support the poor.

The truth of the matter is that most of those in need of social services are incapable of taking care of their own needs. Children, elderly, and sick people are what we are talking about. So the next time you feel the urge to feel charitable, I suggest your roll up your sleeves and do as you suggest. And please don't pass up the opportunity to right out your check for the $4,300. It will be greatly appreciated by that little girl or boy.
" a family of four " if you cant support a family of four, maybe you should be a family of two. i got fixed after two, not because i didn't want more, but because i couldn't support any more than two. now i got to support one or two of somebody else's. you ain't anyones father, you got it made.

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 11:48 AM

Buddy,

Quoting from the article:

Spending on social programs was $1.3 trillion last year, an inflation-adjusted increase of 22 percent since 2000, according to the USA Today report.

Most people are not aware of just how much it takes to care for those who slip through the cracks of society. We all get upset by the slackers who take advantage of government programs, but in truth--children, the sick, and the lderly are not slackers. They are people who need to eat , have shelter, and medical needs cared for.

Most of the time when I discuss this in public or private, the issue come around to the welfare mom or drug addicit, or person who is irresponible sucking off the public dole. I know it is dispicable to see some take advantage of good will by others, but lets not judge who needs help--lets just do what needs to be done.

Edited by Fr. Mike, 16 March 2006 - 11:50 AM.

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 11:55 AM

View PostFr. Mike, on Mar 16 2006, 05:48 AM, said:

Buddy,

Quoting from the article:

Spending on social programs was $1.3 trillion last year, an inflation-adjusted increase of 22 percent since 2000, according to the USA Today report.

Most people are not aware of just how much it takes to care for those who slip through the cracks of society. We all get upset by the slackers who take advantage of government programs, but in truth--children, the sick, and the lderly are not slackers. They are people who need to eat , have shelter, and medical needs cared for.

Most of the time when I discuss this in public or private, the issue come around to the welfare mom or drug addicit, or person who is irresponible sucking off the public dole. I know it is dispicable to see some take advantage of good will by others, but lets not judge who needs help--lets just do what needs to be done.
" those who slip through the cracks " if they cant support a large family, maybe they shouldn't " slip through the crack "

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 12:14 PM

" those who slip through the cracks " if they cant support a large family, maybe they shouldn't " slip through the crack "

That respnse is a very offensive statement which in my opinion is vulgar, obscene, and uncalled for. Please don't post this type of smut on anymore of my topics.
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3. For perverse counsels separate a man from God, and his power, put to the proof, rebukes the foolhardy;
4. Because into a soul that plots evil wisdom enters not, nor dwells she in a body under debt of sin.

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 12:21 PM

View PostFr. Mike, on Mar 16 2006, 06:14 AM, said:

" those who slip through the cracks " if they cant support a large family, maybe they shouldn't " slip through the crack "

That respnse is a very offensive statement which in my opinion is vulgar, obscene, and uncalled for. Please don't post this type of smut on anymore of my topics.
what do you know about it anyway. :rotfl:

View PostFr. Mike, on Mar 16 2006, 06:14 AM, said:

" those who slip through the cracks " if they cant support a large family, maybe they shouldn't " slip through the crack "

That respnse is a very offensive statement which in my opinion is vulgar, obscene, and uncalled for. Please don't post this type of smut on anymore of my topics.
since when did the pope proclaim intercourse to be obscene. :rotfl:

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 12:40 PM

View PostFr. Mike, on Mar 16 2006, 11:48 AM, said:

Buddy,

Quoting from the article:

Spending on social programs was $1.3 trillion last year, an inflation-adjusted increase of 22 percent since 2000, according to the USA Today report.

Most people are not aware of just how much it takes to care for those who slip through the cracks of society. We all get upset by the slackers who take advantage of government programs, but in truth--children, the sick, and the lderly are not slackers. They are people who need to eat , have shelter, and medical needs cared for.

Most of the time when I discuss this in public or private, the issue come around to the welfare mom or drug addicit, or person who is irresponible sucking off the public dole. I know it is dispicable to see some take advantage of good will by others, but lets not judge who needs help--lets just do what needs to be done.


What percentage of the Federal Budget is spent on entitlement programs(social programs)?

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 12:52 PM

The amount of our Federal budgent spent on social programs is 33%.
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4. Because into a soul that plots evil wisdom enters not, nor dwells she in a body under debt of sin.

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 12:58 PM

Bruce,

Do I really have to explain to you why I would consider your depiction in that post of intercourse which is based in love and a gift from our Father as obscene and vulgar? If you do--I will certainly take the time to explain.
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3. For perverse counsels separate a man from God, and his power, put to the proof, rebukes the foolhardy;
4. Because into a soul that plots evil wisdom enters not, nor dwells she in a body under debt of sin.

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 01:03 PM

View PostFr. Mike, on Mar 16 2006, 06:58 AM, said:

Bruce,

Do I really have to explain to you why I would consider your depiction in that post of intercourse which is based in love and a gift from our Father as obscene and vulgar? If you do--I will certainly take the time to explain.
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Posted 16 March 2006 - 01:33 PM

View PostFr. Mike, on Mar 16 2006, 12:52 PM, said:

The amount of our Federal budgent spent on social programs is 33%.

Where did you get that graph?


Never mind, I found it.


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The numbers you site in the article you think is so reprehensible do not agree with the numbers in your chart. Which one do you propose to use?

The real budget:

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 06:07 PM

View PostFr. Mike, on Mar 16 2006, 11:31 AM, said:

Let me ask Bruce and Richard a simple question since neither of you are in favor of government outlays to the poor in our country. If it costs 1.3 trillion dollars a year to help those without , and the majority are children incapable of self suffiency, does your current charitable giving include enough to cover your families pro-rated portion of the amount needed to in the article?

For a family of four with each member providing their equal fair share of charitable costs and assuming we have 300 million folks in our country, that amounts to roughly $4,300 per year for the family of four.
IMO, churches, charitable organizations and society in general have taken the easy way out and "allowed" the government to "handle" society's problems and ills, thus giving the government more and more power and control...and creating a society of people who are totally dependent on the government.

So, since the government now takes care of the charity cases, they have the "right" to levy additional taxes to pay for these services...they call it "taxes," but we can call it "mandatory contributions."

Basically, my money is going to charity...unfortunately, I no longer have the right to decide which charity. The government does that for me. So don't tell me that I'm not paying my share.

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 09:55 PM

I think back to the great depression when I was born. I remember my dad telling me stories later in life about how he hopped trains for another state and a ride of 150-200 miles because he heard there was work to be had there. When he got there and found out there wasn't any, he hopped another train back home. But, he kept looking for any kind of work until he found something to earn enough pay to feed his family.

I also remember my Grandmother telling me stories of hobos who would come into town and knock on her door and ask for food. She never turned one of them away. But, she told them that they could come in and share a meal as long as they split some wood to keep the house warm first. She said that there were only a few that didn't.

I can also remember a time in the mid 50's after being layed off from a construction job two days before Christmas with a wife and our first child. It took me 5 weeks before I found a full time job in the oil industry, but worked many a part time job for a day or two to keep food on the table. Never have applied for or drawn one day of pay of unemployment.

Guess what this country needs is another depression to seperate the chaff from the wheat. Except there would be a lot of people that would die because they don't know how to fend for themselves...
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Posted 16 March 2006 - 11:22 PM

Buddy,

The chart you provided also shows 33% for those areas one could consider social services. I don't believe Social Security would be a social service since it is paid for by contributions from workers and their employers. I'm not sure how Medicaid is fully funded.

One of the problems I see with trying to compare todays social needs with practices of past generations is the different society we now live in. My father was a migrant farm worker as a 12 year old, traveling the trains as Jack mentioned.

We need the institution provided by government to compliment private charity. We don't have the strong family unit/village unit lifestyle anymore. Neighbors do not interact as they once did, families are framented. There simply is not present the private structure needed to handle social needs without government structure.

I believe most folks are charitable by nature but are not intimately involved in their own extended family and village as was once the normal societal structure. The government extends the natural charitable instinct of the indiviual from thought to action . But it appears some folks object to this evolution.
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4. Because into a soul that plots evil wisdom enters not, nor dwells she in a body under debt of sin.

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