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AZFlyFisher, Please Explain

Started by Buddy Kidd, Mar 14 2006 05:51 PM

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#1 OFFLINE Buddy Kidd

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 05:51 PM

AZFlyFisher, on Mar 14 2006, 04:28 PM, said:

Buddy Kidd, on Mar 14 2006, 02:17 PM, said:

Not knowing your enemy for what he is it an ultimate stupidity. If the enemy is a religious fanatic then speak to him in a language he understands.

AZ

Your problem is that you want to label anyone who professes their religion as a fanatic member of a cult. You paint with way to broad a brush. Which by the way shows your one fanaticism which makes you a cultist.

Buddy,

That couldn't be further from the truth. I believe I have only accused one forum member here of belonging to a cult. Lots of people profess their religion here, but only one in recent memory argues that any other interpretaion of the Bible is incorrect and posts links to a radical website that declares the end of the world is near and God is behind our wars and natural disasters. I understand that many Christians interpret the Bible differently and worship in different ways. I'm ok with that. I get worried when they start preaching hatred of other groups and saying they are going to warn everyone.

Leo,

Calling Muslims Satan is the same as them calling you the Infadel. It does nothing but raise the level of hatred between the two groups. Would you dare publish a blog about how you agree with Pol Pot about the sky? You wouldn't want to be associated with him, would you? Why do you want to bring it to our attention that you agree with Robertson?

Please point me to the "hate" which Randy preached.

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 07:08 PM

Buddy Kidd, on Mar 14 2006, 04:51 PM, said:

AZFlyFisher, on Mar 14 2006, 04:28 PM, said:

Buddy Kidd, on Mar 14 2006, 02:17 PM, said:

Not knowing your enemy for what he is it an ultimate stupidity. If the enemy is a religious fanatic then speak to him in a language he understands.

AZ

Your problem is that you want to label anyone who professes their religion as a fanatic member of a cult. You paint with way to broad a brush. Which by the way shows your one fanaticism which makes you a cultist.

Buddy,

That couldn't be further from the truth. I believe I have only accused one forum member here of belonging to a cult. Lots of people profess their religion here, but only one in recent memory argues that any other interpretaion of the Bible is incorrect and posts links to a radical website that declares the end of the world is near and God is behind our wars and natural disasters. I understand that many Christians interpret the Bible differently and worship in different ways. I'm ok with that. I get worried when they start preaching hatred of other groups and saying they are going to warn everyone.

Leo,

Calling Muslims Satan is the same as them calling you the Infadel. It does nothing but raise the level of hatred between the two groups. Would you dare publish a blog about how you agree with Pol Pot about the sky? You wouldn't want to be associated with him, would you? Why do you want to bring it to our attention that you agree with Robertson?

Please point me to the "hate" which Randy preached.

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This now brings us to the question of the day. Would Jesus welcome into His fellowship sodomites who claim that their behavior is just another expression of love? Would He defend their right to marry? In his Kingdom will same-sex couples raise children?

At this point it is important to understanding something about the Savior of the World. Although Jesus loves mankind, He does not love mankind's brazen rejection of His moral law. Such behavior is SIN and Jesus HATES sin! Furthermore, there is not the slightest hint in the scriptures that Jesus was a tolerant of everything Savior. He is totally intolerant of the evil that has saturated this world and moral depravity definitely falls into that category. That is why He offered up His unblemished life and consented to suffer a torturous death. He did so to pay the price for sin. But is order to claim that sacrifice, we must STOP sinning!

While so many today think of Jesus Christ as one who came to extend mercy, while the God of the Old Testament was a harsh judgmental deity, this is NOT true. Jesus was the God of the Old Testament. He was the one who called homosexuality an ABOMONATION (Lev. 18:22)! He was the one who proscribed its consequences (Lev. 20:13). Furthermore, despite the assertions of the United Church of Christ, the Bible declares that gays and lesbians will not receive a free pass into God's kingdom. On the contrary, they will not enter into it at all if they refuse to repent Rev. 21:8).

He goes on comparing homosexuals who wish to belong to the Church Of The Messiah to child molesters, members of NAMBLA, drug peddlers, pornographers, professional killers, prostitutes, etc. He later adds the disclaimer "We don't say this because we hate homosexuals." It's obvious who he hates. The website he provided several links to has devoted no less than 14 pages of essays against the homosexual.

Maybe in your mind that's ok. I call it preaching hate against a group of people he doesn't understand.

And no, I'm not gay (not that there is anything wrong with that).

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 07:45 PM

And it's one thing to write about it but it turns into something different when you repeatedly state they must be warned.

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 07:59 PM

AZ,

He says being a homosexual is a sin. That is taught in nearly all religions and moral codes. He also says that Jesus does not tolerate sin which is what is said in the bible. That is not hatred it is repeating a fact. Child molesters, members of NAMBLA, drug peddlers, pornographers, professional killers, prostitutes, etc. are all sinners. It is you and your cult reasoning which says it is hatred to say someone has sinned. It is because of your dislike of Christianity which brings you to the conclusion that Christians hate when they say someone is sinning. Nothing could be further from the truth. It is obvious who you hate.

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 08:10 PM

I think you all should let the homosexuals have their church. I think anyone who would protest against a church they don't belong to because it admits homosexuals has the agenda, not me. I just call 'em as I see 'em. Have you actually gone and looked around over at blowthetrumpet.org?

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 08:48 PM

Yes I have looked around.

I don't agree with all of their interpretations of the Bible but at least I am not intolerant to the point of hatred like you are toward anyone who disagrees with your beliefs. Don't you realize that what you are doing is the same as what you are accusing them of. Intolerance and hatred?

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 09:25 PM

AZ,

Regardless of your beliefs, do you find anything wrong with the Commandments? Even if you don't believe they come from GOD? Just curious.

Eschew Obfuscation!

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 09:28 PM

AZ,

I have looked around that site and I find it to be extremely hate filled and intolerant. I am hardly a "Christian hater." I don't even hate that group. Actually I feel sorry for them. I am ashamed of the name they give good Christian folks.

Lowell

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 10:27 PM

Squid, on Mar 14 2006, 08:25 PM, said:

AZ,

Regardless of your beliefs, do you find anything wrong with the Commandments? Even if you don't believe they come from GOD? Just curious.

Squid,

Since they have been published in different order, I better put the version I used for reference here:

The Ten Commandments given to Moses are these: (abbreviated form)

1. You shall not worship any other god but YHWH.

2. You shall not make a graven image.

3. You shall not take the name of YHWH in vain.

4. You shall not break the Sabbath.

5. You shall not dishonor your parents.

6. You shall not murder.

7. You shall not commit adultery

8. You shall not steal.

9. You shall not commit perjury.

10. You shall not covet.

1 - 4 are not interpreted the same by most people and are largely ignored by a large segment of the population. 5 is a good idea in most situations. 6, 7, 8, and 9 are my four favorites. Everybody should follow those. 10 is in the same category as 1 - 4.

Buddy,

Randy is blowing the trumpet. I'm just blowing the whistle.

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 10:43 PM

#5 is my favorite.

Of course, it wasn't my favorite until I became a parent.

~Mickey

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 10:49 PM

Mickey,

Have you ever been coveted at Church? C'mon, be honest. Men are men whether they are Christian or not.

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 10:56 PM

Shoot, I don't know. I have a hard enough time keeping up with my own sins....don't have enough energy to keep up with others'!!!

But come to think about it, the first time I saw my husband, he was an alter boy at mass. He was serving with his brother, a big football player. I used to refer to the brother as "the neck," and my husband as "the cute one."

So, I guess I coveted at church. 17 and a sinner to boot! We dated for 5 years, been married for 20 and have 4 kids. I guess that coveting worked out.

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 10:57 PM

Sorry AZ, there is no difference in what you are actually doing and what you accuse him of doing. You are being intolerant of his beliefs which shows the hatred in you which you accuse him of having. He says he is warning people of their sins. You call that hatred. You say you are blowing the whistle. It is the same, you are warning people of what you see as his sin. If his is hatred then yours is surly hatred.

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 11:04 PM

No Buddy, there is a difference. I'm speaking to the individual who wants to inform the masses and warn those who believe differently from him. I'm not preachin' to y'all.

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 11:11 PM

You have stated that you want to stop everyone who thinks and speaks like Randy. In fact didn't you pose a question to the board about Randy and the organization he is a member of? Why yes, I believe you did. Perhaps more than one. You are speaking to the same people on this board that Randy is. You are doing exactly what you accuse him of. Nothing different.

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 11:47 PM

Buddy,

I asked Randy some tough questions and got bible quotes and links to blowthetrumpet.org for an answer. Bible quotes that half of you probably don't interpret the same as him.

Remember the Tsunami's and God thread last year? How many of you stood up and proclaimed it was punishment by God for man's sins? I don't remember any. What about in the Katrina threads? Now someone posts repeated links to a website that preaches the last days are at hand and natural disasters such as Katrina are proof that God is punishing the sinners and you think that is just cool.

Make sure you visit this page then. They take Pay Pal. I have a feeling Randy is probably the main guy behind this website so your contribution may go directly to him. Show your support for his crusade. He's put a lot of hard work into it.

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 11:53 PM

Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say anything about that site being cool. Nor have I expressed any type of approval or disapproval. What I am pointing out is that you are doing exactly what you accuse Randy of as your last post exemplifies.

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 08:05 AM

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Buddy Kidd, on Mar 14 2006, 10:53 PM, said:

Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say anything about that site being cool. Nor have I expressed any type of approval or disapproval. What I am pointing out is that you are doing exactly what you accuse Randy of as your last post exemplifies.

And I think maybe you are over-moderating. We are here to discuss whatever subjects are posted. Instead of discussing the subject you are picking apart how we are discussing the subject. On one thread it's ok to call Muslims "Satan" because that's the language they understand, but on other threads it's not ok to ask serious questions when Christians post some pretty outrageous stuff.

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AZFlyFisher, on Mar 14 2006, 02:10 PM, said:

I think you all should let the homosexuals have their church. I think anyone who would protest against a church they don't belong to because it admits homosexuals has the agenda, not me. I just call 'em as I see 'em. Have you actually gone and looked around over at blowthetrumpet.org?

homosexuals and blow the trumpet. :rotfl: