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[Richard]

Lowell,

The members of The Breach can read for themselves your "apology" and make their own judgments as to whether or not it was delivered sincerely and with "[w]ith the utmost respect". It is my judgment that it was nothing more then sarcastic rhetoric and not germane to the issues of whether or not your talking points are true.

The only thing that you said that was meaningful to the discussion was "[i] assure you that I will not be providing the requested links. I gave you the sources from which I obtained the information.". All that you did provided was "[t]wo or three sources. One, his lawyer's statement on the O'Rielly show. Two, quoted statements in both the Denver Post and the Rocky Mountain News." Which O'Rielly show on what date, which issue(s) of the Post and News?

What kind of grade would you give a student on a research assignment if their citations where as sloppy as your own?

I asked for documentation that would support your talking points, just one of them, and you gave me the names of three media outlets. That is not, in my opinion, a substantive or meaningful response to a reasonable request.

[Irongoat]

What kind of grade would you give a student on a research assignment if their citations where as sloppy as your own?


With what we know of teachers today, I would suspect the grade would be determined primarily by how much the student hated Bush. The only teachers we hear about are the ones either having sex with their students or the ones preaching against America or the President.

[Jim Miller]

Lowell, congratulations to you and you kids for a fine showing at the Speech Tournament.

Edited by Jim Miller, 19 March 2006 - 02:51 PM.

[Richard]

It appears that Lowell lacks the courage to defend his own statements with documentation and that he has run away from an untenable position. Let us hope that he will will have learned from this experience and that he will refrain from authoring propaganda in the future.

Best Regards,
Richard

[Jim Miller]

Has anyone looked into the legalities of taping someone without their permission?

[Jim Miller]

eb belote, on Mar 21 2006, 08:31 AM, said:

jim miller thought you didnt have a problem with that

I am not sure I understand what you mean Eb. I would be opposed to any student breaking the law, if, in fact, he did. I don't know. I was just wondering if he did. I know in PA no one was, including administrators, could not tape any teacher without their permission. I was just wondering if that was the case in Colorado.

[Buddy Kidd]

That is an interesting law you have in PA. I have never heard of that before. Since Public School is a Public place I would think that law could be reversed in court but I am not a lawyer. The only reason I can see for such a law is for the protection of incompetent teachers.

Interesting that you are still trying to find a way to put the blame on the student....

[Richard]

A better policy for government schools would be to record every class of every teacher and make the data available online so that parents, and other interested parties, would have a tool to monitor the behavior of the children as well as the teacher. As government schools are directly funded by the tax paying public, the schools should be operated in an open and transparent manner.

Best Regards,
Richard

[Jim Miller]

Buddy Kidd, on Mar 21 2006, 09:03 AM, said:

That is an interesting law you have in PA. I have never heard of that before. Since Public School is a Public place I would think that law could be reversed in court but I am not a lawyer. The only reason I can see for such a law is for the protection of incompetent teachers.

Interesting that you are still trying to find a way to put the blame on the student....

And I find it interesting that you are still trying to pick a fight over this. I am not sure that it is a law in PA. It was the policy of the school district that I worked in. Sorry I was unclear about that. I am not trying to place blame anywhere that it doesn't belong. I merely asked a question. The only thing I have ever said about the teacher was that his method was a good one. Make a statement, prove me wrong. Nothing wrong with that.

Richard, on Mar 21 2006, 09:05 AM, said:

A better policy for government schools would be to record every class of every teacher and make the data available online so that parents, and other interested parties, would have a tool to monitor the behavior of the children as well as the teacher. As government schools are directly funded by the tax paying public, the schools should be operated in an open and transparent manner.

Best Regards,
Richard

And I guess that would apply to every place that is supported by public funds?

[Richard]

Jim Miller, on Mar 21 2006, 08:22 AM, said:

Buddy Kidd, on Mar 21 2006, 09:03 AM, said:

That is an interesting law you have in PA. I have never heard of that before. Since Public School is a Public place I would think that law could be reversed in court but I am not a lawyer. The only reason I can see for such a law is for the protection of incompetent teachers.

Interesting that you are still trying to find a way to put the blame on the student....

And I find it interesting that you are still trying to pick a fight over this. I am not sure that it is a law in PA. It was the policy of the school district that I worked in. Sorry I was unclear about that. I am not trying to place blame anywhere that it doesn't belong. I merely asked a question. The only thing I have ever said about the teacher was that his method was a good one. Make a statement, prove me wrong. Nothing wrong with that.

Richard, on Mar 21 2006, 09:05 AM, said:

A better policy for government schools would be to record every class of every teacher and make the data available online so that parents, and other interested parties, would have a tool to monitor the behavior of the children as well as the teacher. As government schools are directly funded by the tax paying public, the schools should be operated in an open and transparent manner.

Best Regards,
Richard

And I guess that would apply to every place that is supported by public funds?

I would note that we have many public laws insuring the free access to information and open meetings and I would consider these laws to be generally beneficial. Certainly, there are times when national security requires secrecy lest our enemies gain access to the same information that the public might have an interest in, but I do not perceive any risk to national security in the instruction of students in a government welfare school.

I would also note that many private day care schools now, as part of their service, provide real time and online video of their facilities so that parents can be assured that their children are receiving proper care in a healthy and caring environment.

Clearly, parents have a material interest in their children and as the technology now exists to provide parents more access to the classroom in a none disruptive manner, I can not help but think that such access would serve to improve the overall quality of the educational experience in our government welfare schools.

Best Regards,
Richard

[Buddy Kidd]

Jim Miller, on Mar 21 2006, 08:22 AM, said:

Buddy Kidd, on Mar 21 2006, 09:03 AM, said:

That is an interesting law you have in PA. I have never heard of that before. Since Public School is a Public place I would think that law could be reversed in court but I am not a lawyer. The only reason I can see for such a law is for the protection of incompetent teachers.

Interesting that you are still trying to find a way to put the blame on the student....

And I find it interesting that you are still trying to pick a fight over this. I am not sure that it is a law in PA. It was the policy of the school district that I worked in. Sorry I was unclear about that. I am not trying to place blame anywhere that it doesn't belong. I merely asked a question. The only thing I have ever said about the teacher was that his method was a good one. Make a statement, prove me wrong. Nothing wrong with that.

I am not trying to pick a fight Jim, you ask a question and made a statment. I made a reply. What is wrong with that?

[Jim Miller]

Richard, you seem to be backing down a bit. You said, "A better policy for government schools would be to record every class of every teacher and make the data available online so that parents, and other interested parties, would have a tool to monitor the behavior of the children as well as the teacher." I suggested that this might be a good thing in all offices funded by the public. Lets record all workings of the public sector, cameras and tape recorders in all public offices, put it on the internet for all to pick apart. I don't think my suggestion is any more rediculous than yours. Also, parents and public were always welcom into my classroom at any time. They were always welcom to see what was going on. In thirty-one years not one parent ever bothered to visit. Must be a message there somewhere.

Edited by Jim Miller, 21 March 2006 - 09:21 AM.

[Richard]

Jim,

I have little problem with introducing video cameras or other recording devices into a wide range of public meetings including classrooms with the exception that I have previously stated, and perhaps a few others where the public interest is better served by secrecy instead of openness.

As far as visits, my wife and I often visit the classrooms of our children and we know both of their teachers, and their husbands personally. This is not an uncommon practice for parents in the Christian school our children attend. I can not help but feel some measure of sympathy for those students who's parents are so apathetic about their education as to fail to spend time in their children's classrooms.

Best Regards,
Richard